Today I was the only baker in a meeting with oven folks. I still haven't a clue why I was there, but everyone was debating on how to size an oven accurately to accomodate the desired cake. The oven builders from competiting companies were sharing ideas freely, while the oven sellers were more dodgy. I've often been told I have an aptitude for sales, but my nature votes strongly against it. I choose to stand by the techies everytime.